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Gertrud ToD
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:38:00 -
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limiting the amount of targets titans can lock, raising the locking time... there is only one counter that supercap heavy alliances can do to that: bring more titans.
the tracking nerf can easy be countered by having more RR (super) carriers arround to deal with the smaller stuff, while the set of a titan blob will stop hostiles from fielding capitals all together.
maybe i just don't get the plan behind this |
Gertrud ToD
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:42:00 -
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ccp error page tricked me in posting twice! |
Gertrud ToD
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:45:00 -
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Andski wrote:Gertrud ToD wrote:limiting the amount of targets titans can lock, raising the locking time... there is only one counter that supercap heavy alliances can do to that: bring more titans.
the tracking nerf can easy be countered by having more RR (super) carriers arround to deal with the smaller stuff, while the set of a titan blob will stop hostiles from fielding capitals all together.
maybe i just don't get the plan behind this So you're saying that titans might just need a support fleet? What a strange and alien concept in this EVE Online game~
usually supercaps are fielded with support, and if you guys would field some, you would know :p |
Gertrud ToD
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Posted - 2012.03.14 13:59:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:dooplex wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but Titans were supposed to be very expensive but also very effective strategic force multipliers and as such were working as intended. Smaller entities in nullsec could defend their space by relying on a larger supercaptial fleet. However, after this nerf, numbers will again be everything. A short look at http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCount should give us a general idea of who will be the sole beneficary of this "adjustment".. This has never been a stated balance goal in any discussion I've been party to. In particular, predicating "can survive as a small alliance in nullsec" on "can afford a large supercap fleet" would be extremely silly, because it excludes exactly the type of players who we're most keen on being able to maintain small holdings in nullsec, ie newer, poorer players.
wait, what?
you say your goal is to allow smaller alliance survival?
the people who will be hit by this the most are alliances like PL, Raiden. etc. who themselves arent that large of alliances, but banded together to kill the NC which had 1.4 times the numbers that the coalition against them could field.
The same people that are currently, because they did their long term planning, because they gathered the wealth todo so and because they invested alot in it, able to stand against the largest alliance of them all, goonswarm.
take a simple look at the numbers,
goonswarm has 4 times as many members as raiden. (who they are currently actively fighting),
lets not even look at how many members both sides if you count the whole clusterfuck together.
(it looks even worse for raidens side, with wn gone etc.)
the only thing that keeps small alliances like Raiden. alive is their ability to field supercapitals,
and you are destroying that sole defense.
what you are doing is destroying those that you claim to protect!
WAKE UP.
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Gertrud ToD
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:26:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Strange bedfellows. I was among the most vocal in criticizing Greyscale for not consulting with the CSM about the anomaly nerf, and yet here I see him slandered by a legion of altposters from RDN and NCdot for 'not consulting' when he actually did.
In this case, the CSM was consulted and the solutions were discussed at length; it just happens that the non-PL representatives who participated in the discussion (most of the CSM) supported these changes to a man. I'm delighted to have all of you point your fingers at me and Vile Rat and howl about ~goon conspiracies~, though.
The hard fact is that Titan pilots are .3% of player population, Titans shouldn't be able to impact subcaps, and everyone - except for PL's reps on the council - agrees that this needs to happen.
Anyway, Greyscale has clearly learned from the Anomaly nerf; not only did Anoms get un-nerfed a bit later in response to criticism, he's consulted fully and at length with the CSM on this issue.
funny how one of your co-csm's allready disagreed with that *before* your post. btw, hes not in PL, have fun searching the post. |
Gertrud ToD
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:27:00 -
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GeneralDisturbed wrote:Triskian wrote:Good morning thread. I see some of you have been busy overnight.
Can someone recap the last 11 pages for me please? PL/Raiden continue to ignore all arguments to the contrary, and keep pretending that they're a battered alliance of 200 desperate people fighting 1600 goons, and the only thing saving them is their not-overpowred titan "equalizers".
the numbers are 2000 raiden vs 8000 goons. |
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:35:00 -
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GeneralDisturbed wrote:
That's very interesting, considering the largest fight I've been present in, in eve, was the recent fight over our old homeland with the russians. And that involved most every major alliance in the game sending fleets. And local barely hit 2000. Considering goons were only a small part of that fight, I'm not sure where our other 7500 are hiding, but I'd love to know.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCount |
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:57:00 -
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Crystal Wolf wrote:
But the use of singular titans isn't what this discussion should be focusing on as it has been established that a singular titan doesn't pose a huge problem. The main focus here is titan blobs and attempting to produce an effective solution.
well this nerf only focuses on the aspect of a titan "blob" of say 50 titans.
this nerf will mean two things -
a) a huge bc/bs blob (many more ships than 50, lets say 600) like goons field them will now be the new winning-blob variant.
b) point a) will be invalid as soon as the ones who are currently fielding 50 titans will field 100 titans
so actually all the nerf does is shift the power from the current "winners" to the current "losers" of a specific conflict, at a time that is very inconveniant for those having titans now,
but in the long run will allow them to simply up the numbers and swing the pendulum back.
and thats actually what most people have been critizising, its not fixing the problem at all, just doing a power shift in the current situation.
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Gertrud ToD
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:05:00 -
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BioZvin wrote:Andski wrote:BioZvin wrote:And lets be honest here a titan on its own atm can't even defend itself vs one dictor/HIC. I think it's /fairly/ reasonable that a solo titan should be extremely vulnerable against a dictor or HIC, don't you agree? Why should it be more than a BS vs a interceptor.
you should explain that a bit:
a bs with a skilled pilot can do several maneuvers when fighting against an interceptor
(depending on the intercetors fit),
either putting the interceptor to a eliptical orbit,
which allows for tracking,
slowing down the interceptor,
use the drones..
the titan vs the interdictor however is pretty much dead in the water. |
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Posted - 2012.03.14 17:07:00 -
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Crystal Wolf wrote:
This is true however CCP in response to one of my earlier posts said that almost anything that reduces titan numbers and titan blobbing is considered a desirable outcome.
and thats a pretty dangerous way of thinking,
looking at how many people own titans nowadays -
you cannot just take them away or make them "useless"
without reimbursting owners in some sort of acceptable way
and you cant do a short-term-"solution" like the one here proposed either, because it does not solve the problem.
the right way to go about this, would be finding the root of the problem, and find a way to modify the current state to a level where players can solve that root-problem themselves by giving them the right tools.
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